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Oud 26 september 2004, 23:13   #1
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combinatie revivogen en spironolactone!!!


http://www.hairlosstalk.com/newsletter/article233.htm

Wellicht betekent dit goed nieuws voor ons.

Wat denken jullie hiervan?
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Revivogen in combination with Spironolactone

One newsgroup user raised an interesting and appropriate question: isn't Spironolactone more cost-effective than Revivogen? For every bottle of Revivogen that you buy, can't you buy a few bottles of ready-made Spiro. solution, or at least make your own? Yes, but remember that in these experiments there appeared to be a limit of effectiveness of Spiro. It seemed not to do any better above a certain dosage, and this level of effectiveness was lower than what was obtained with the GLA. If this is also true for human use for balding, then the use of Revivogen *might* be indicated for people who can't get the required level of antiandrogenicity through the usual means. However, to be fair to Spiro., there might be a reason for its relatively poor showing in these tests: all of these substances were given to the animals once a day. Spiro. is rather rapidly converted into its metabolite, canrenone, a *much* weaker antiandrogen. What if flank organs and sebaceous glands (and hair follicles) require a more continuous exposure to antiandrogens to get the desired effect? What if a fatty acid hangs around a lot longer, but Spiro. is metabolized and dissipated more quickly, requiring *twice* a day application? Would that mean that topical Spiro. at the proper dosage and used the proper way, could still be as effective as GLA? I frankly don't know the answer to that question, but I have to admit that it's a possibility. I don't have the data to say, either way.

But this leads me now to what I consider to be the *ideal* way to use Revivogen: use it along with topical Spironolactone! Disregarding the saw palmetto content of Revivogen for the moment, consider that GLA and the other fatty acids have no effect on the androgen receptors of hair follicles. Conversely, Spironolactone has no effect on 5AR; it does not block it at all. Think of the one-two punch you could have by combining *both* substances, and stopping or reducing activity on *both* sides of the 5AR enzyme! I feel that this combination is even more likely to serve successfully as a topical substitute for finasteride (Propecia), for those of us who are looking for such an alternative.
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Oud 26 september 2004, 23:21   #2
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Hoe werken de beide middelen apart dan? Heb er nog niet veel goeds over gehoord eigenlijk. (haar behoud, hergroei)
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Oud 26 september 2004, 23:21   #3
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Ter aanvulling: Revivogen is....

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/productr...ogen/index.htm

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What is Revivogen?

Potentially one of the most effective unproven products our users have given us feedback on. While this is the case, the proven treatments on the market including Propecia, Minoxidil, and Tricomin should be considered first.

A topically applied DHT inhibitor that contains more scientifically backed ingredients for inhibiting DHT than you can shake a stick at. A typical ValuePak comes with three small scalp therapy bottles and a single Shampoo bottle. The Scalp therapy contains the active ingredients, while the shampoo, according to our users, just does a darn good job of making your hair look thick.

The makers set out to create a solution that contains as many known DHT inhibiting chemicals as possible into one solution. Since no significant amount is absorbed into the bloodstream, there are no side effects, as may be seen with Propecia use.
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What's in it?

The active ingredients of Revivogen™ are natural compounds proven to be potent inhibitors of 5-Alpha-Reductase, the enzyme that produces DHT. These active ingredients include Procyanidin Oligomers, Gamma Linolenic acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic acid (ALA), Linoleic Acid, Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, and Saw Palmetto Extract. New research has shown that GLA, ALA, Linoleic Acid and Azelaic Acid are the most powerful inhibitors of 5-alpha-reductase, the enzyme that produces DHT. This is the only product that contains GLA, ALA, and Azelaic Acid in one easy to use topical formula. In addition, the combination of these powerful ingredients with Linoleic Acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc Sulfate and Saw Palmetto Extract has resulted in the most potent natural anti-DHT formula available today.

For an in-depth look at this product's ingredients, please see the "Related Articles" feature on the right side of this page.
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Oud 26 september 2004, 23:41   #4
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Hier hebben we het al een keer over revivogen gehad:
http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthre...ight=revivogen
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