Hasci ... en de Reclame Code Commissie

[Spanish Dude]

In the last 6 months, dr. Gho has been using a false advertising on the front page of his website. Info here:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html

So, 2 days ago, I wrote the dutch Reclame Code Commisie to bring this false advertisement to their attention.

Main RCC address:
info AT reclamecode DOT nl


Joan Lorang (speaks english):
Joan.Lorang AT reclamecode DOT nl

sadly, it seems that they are more interested on obtaining my personal information and giving it to Gho, rather than fighting fraud.
Details follow...

[Spanish Dude]

My first email:

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Subject: False advertising by Dr. Gho
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Hello:
I want to denounce a blatant false advertising by a doctor in the Netherlands.
His name is Dr. Gho.
His website:
www.hasci.com

This doctor does hair transplants.

The falsehood has stayed for more than 6 months online, in the front page of his website.
I have explained everything in this public forum:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html

I hope you take actions against this charlatan.

regards-Spanish Dude

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Joan Lorang wrote:
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Dear Sir, Madam,

Please use our complaintform for filing a complaint
https://www.reclamecode.nl/consument...sp?paginaid=73

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And my reply was:

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Hello:

Thanks for your reply.
Its imperative that I remain anonymous.
The complaint form is asking for my personal data, and I won't reveal this.
Will this be a problem?

The false advertisement by dr. Gho is cristal clear.

regards--"Spanish Dude"
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and Joan Lorang replied:
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Dear Sir, Madam,

It is not possible to remain anonymous.

When we handle a complaint we have to send all the information of the complainant to the advertiser.

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and my reply was this one:

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Hello:
Thanks for your reply.

I am sorry, but I find it very illogical that you have to inform dr. Gho about my personal data.

Imagine that I go to the police, and tell them about a crime that its being commited, do you imagine the police
giving my personal data to the criminal?

I have described the false advertising in great detail here:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html


This false advertisement has been online for more than 6 months.
In that link, you have sufficient information to decide for yourself if this is a case of false advertising or not.
Then, why contacting dr. Gho at all? You don't need to do that.

In fact, your protocol will discourage people from reporting false advertising.
Do you want to discourage people from reporting fraüd?
Do you want to protect fraüdsters?

A fraüd is a fraüd, regardless of who is complaining.
I hope you understand.

best regards--Spanish Dude

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[Limbo]

Are you happy now?

[Spanish Dude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Limbo

Are you happy now?

As you may understand, I am very dissatisfied. They are not fighting fraud.

Are you happy?

[Limbo]

Childish...

[Spanish Dude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Limbo

Childish...

hummm, so,... reporting advertising fraud is childish?
Could you tell me what is your idea of maturity?
ah, I know, your idea of maturity is this:
"I know that it is a fraud, but I don't care. I don't care if others are fooled, because I am not fooled. I don't care if others fall, because I am safe."

This is not maturity, Limbo, this is putrefaction.

[AnthonieH]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Spanish Dude

As you may understand, I am very dissatisfied. They are not fighting fraud.

Are you happy?

I think they don't act on anonymous complaints to avoid the posibility of witch hunts.

If your complaint is serious, why remain anonymous?

[AnthonieH]

Maar ik vind de advertentie dus ook misleidend en ik heb zelf een klacht ingediend. Verder afhandeling gebeurt per post. Ik laat wel weten hoe het loopt.

[Spanish Dude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AnthonieH

I think they don't act on anonymous complaints to avoid the posibility of witch hunts.

If your complaint is serious, why remain anonymous?

Hello AnthonieH:

Reasons to stay anonymous:

1. I was death threatened by Dr. Bazan in the past in Hairsite.
2. I have been death-threatened by several forum members in Hairsite, for example, the now-banned Stevie.Dee.
3. Dr. Gho in the past exposed in Hairsite the real name of patient "Syrup" who complained about a failed transplant.

The hairloss forum world is a rude world, believe me, I have a lot of experience. It is not advised to go open and happily reveal your identity.

I could understand that the Reclame Code Commisie asked for your identity, but I cannot understand why they give this information to dr. Gho.


Okay, Anthonie, I see that you are very brave and decided to go ahead with the formulaire, good luck!

[Hasci]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Spanish Dude

In the last 6 months, dr. Gho has been using a false advertising on the front page of his website. Info here:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html

So, 2 days ago, I wrote the dutch Reclame Code Commisie to bring this false advertisement to their attention.

Main RCC address:
info AT reclamecode DOT nl


Joan Lorang (speaks english):
Joan.Lorang AT reclamecode DOT nl

sadly, it seems that they are more interested on obtaining my personal information and giving it to Gho, rather than fighting fraud.
Details follow...

Dear HairSite readers,


We have noted the accusation that the “before” and “after” photos of Gerard Joling (GJ) on our website were in fact “after” and “before” photos – in other words with hair before treatment and without hair after treatment. This is actually true; however…


9 November 2009
GJ received his first treatment at our clinic in Maastricht (Netherlands): 1500 grafts were transplanted to the hairline and front. During that treatment, photos were taken.
However, as agreed with GJ and his management, these were not to be used by HSI for publicity purposes.

So our website shows only two photos before treatment of an unshaven GJ: see the bottom news item in NEWS/FILE: GERARD JOLING.

However, in all the PDFs and videos made by third parties it can be clearly seen what GJ looked like: shaven. And that is also how he looked immediately before and after the second treatment in July 2011.


11 July 2011
GJ received his second treatment. This time for his crown which had since also thinned due to natural hair loss. Again, photos were taken: both with hair before the treatment and shaven during and after the treatment. These photos we were allowed to use in our communication.

The photo with hair is therefore in fact an “after” photo of the result over a year and a half after his initial treatment!

The photo of the shaven GJ was therefore indeed taken during the second treatment, but:
“before” photos of GJ before his initial treatment looked exactly the same, but, as agreed, we were not allowed to use them.


The crux
So what we showed is a photo of GJ with a shaved head. Whether that photo was taken in 2009 or in 2011 effectively makes no difference: the shaven GJ of 2009 looks exactly like the shaven GJ of 2011. But the photo with hair definitely is a photo after treatment!

We can imagine that the use of the two images may have caused some misunderstandings. However, before rushing to accuse someone of fraud, it is wise to first ask that party for their version of events. Even if you want to remain anonymous, we will be pleased to answer your questions – questions like this in particular!

Finally: Gerard Joling is a pop artist and performer who is famous in the Netherlands. He would never allow himself to be used for the kind of con-trick suggested. If he did, he would cause himself irreparable damage. That fact alone should have provided a clue that perhaps something else was going on.


Yours sincerely,
Management and Team of Hair Science Institute

[nijmegen2]

Wat goed dat jullie je zelf in de discussie mengen! Ik hoop dat jullie dat op regelmatige basis blijven doen.

Grappig dat jullie hoogstwaarschijnlijk de anonieme namen erg makkelijk kunnen koppelen aan jullie klanten:-)

[bass885]

Dat hij er kaalgeschoren hetzelfde uitziet in 2009 en 2011 dat is begrijpelijk. Daar schuilt de misleiding ook niet in. Het gaat erom dat er een foto wordt vertoond van joling met een kaalgeschoren hoofd voor de transplantatie en met een niet kaalgeschoren hoofd na de transplantatie. Dit maakt een een goede vergelijking bijna onmogelijk en is daarom dus misleidend.

[nijmegen2]

Ja daar ben ik het idd wel mee eens. Zonde, want hiermee krijg je onnodig zoveel negatieve pers.

[AnthonieH]

Ik had ook al bedacht dat een deel van het resultaat van de voor-foto wel degelijk aan Hasci te danken was, maar anderen zouden daar ook wat credit voor kunnen claimen (ik zou het dapper en dom vinden als ze dat gingen proberen overigens ).

Ik zou de compilatie op jullie site overigens nooit als 'con-trick' omschrijven. Ik begrijp jullie beperkingen in het gebruik van echt oude foto's, maar ik vind de gekozen presentatie vooral onhandig. Het misleidende zit voor mij in het tonen van een kaalgeschoren hoofd eerst (terwijl het de na-foto is) en dan een mooi behaard hoofd (wat de voor-foto is). De suggestie is van kaal naar behaard, terwijl de foto's van 'na' naar 'voor' zijn ... dat wringt.

Maar goed, dank voor de uitleg. Ik vind het heel sterk en goed dat er een reactie van jullie kant is.