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Oud 8 juni 2011, 02:22   #61
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Some previous works1,2 have reported that regenerated
hair shafts were finer in caliber than the original
donor hairs. We found that the caliber of hairs regenerated
from entire follicles was 96.17 +-0.2% with
respect to original donor hairs (100%)
. The new
hairs obtained from bisected follicles were slightly
finer than the donor hairs, although we found no
difference in caliber between regenerated hairs derived
from the upper (75.378.2%) or lower portion
(74.474.1%)


TABLE 2. Caliber of Hairs Regenerated After
Duplicative Surgery
Donor Hair Caliber, Mean
Percentage7Standard Deviation
Entire follicle 96.17 +-0.2
Upper portion 75.37 +-8.2
Lower portion 74.47 +-4.1
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 02:43   #62
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so, Stevie, was my analysis right or wrong?
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 03:06   #63
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can you see page 1123 on the pdf??
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 11:37   #64
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I think you maybe just misinterpret some things because they dont say anything about hairs being only half the size of their original diameter.
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 14:27   #65
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I think you maybe just misinterpret some things because they dont say anything about hairs being only half the size of their original diameter.
Stevie, this is simple mathematics. If the diameter of a hair is reduced to 75%, then the cross-sectional area is reduced to 56.2%, because the area of a circle depends to the square of the radius.
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 16:13   #66
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Kay if you say so, so be it then, why did you ask for my answer here. Its your opinion and so be it. If its simple mathematics then so be it. But if you already knew the answer why did you ask for it? I am not here to fight with you or HairRobinHood (iron.Man)
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 17:42   #67
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Kay if you say so, so be it then, why did you ask for my answer here. Its your opinion and so be it. If its simple mathematics then so be it. But if you already knew the answer why did you ask for it? I am not here to fight with you or HairRobinHood (iron.Man)
I just wanted confirmation from other persons, because I am not perfect and I can have errors.

Also I could not read the whole article, because somehow, the page 1123 of the pdf doesn't show up.

So I ask again, can you see page 1123 of the pdf?
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 18:24   #68
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i can read till 1123 end of page.

Page nds with " potential.
In cultures derived from the lower portion,
cell colonies had a smaller diameter (Figure 4A), and
elements in cytokinesis were occasionally found.
Hair-derived keratinocytes showed greater motility"

Also i do mistaks so no one can say i am absolutely right. But in this study i dint found anything saying that the hairs had been decreased in a way which is cosmetically challenging
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 18:44   #69
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okay, now I am able to read the 1123 page, same as you, until "showed greater motility", but then the figure 4A is missing, and I think there is more text missing, probably there are some pages missing.

Anyway, if I am correct, the resulting hairs are only 56% cross area compared to the originals. This means that they have 56% weight, and 56% strength, 56% volume, etc etc.
This has an important cosmetical impact.

So, unless I am proven wrong, this study confirms again that hair bisection is not able to increase hair mass. In this study, bisection produces a 21.6% reduction in overal hair mass.

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i can read till 1123 end of page.

Page nds with " potential.
In cultures derived from the lower portion,
cell colonies had a smaller diameter (Figure 4A), and
elements in cytokinesis were occasionally found.
Hair-derived keratinocytes showed greater motility"

Also i do mistaks so no one can say i am absolutely right. But in this study i dint found anything saying that the hairs had been decreased in a way which is cosmetically challenging

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Again my questions to Roloff:

Thanks for your answers, Roloff:
but I still don't understand why dr. Gho took 8 hours to transplant 640 grafts. I didn't understand your explanation about your long hair.
In this video, for example, we can see Drs. Kristel van Herwijnen using a motorized punch/drill to extract grafts from the donor area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDr2s...eature=related

And as you can see, min 2:30, she "drills" approx 1 graft each 3 seconds, while talking to the camera!!
So, this process doesn't look as "labour intensive" as assumed.
In your case, did the technicians use this motorized punch/drill? What was the "drilling speed" in your case?

Also you didn't answer my second question: Did Gho give to you any kind of questionnaire where you could express your degree of satisfaction, suggestions, etc?

thanks-SD
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 19:00   #71
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Ho do you come to 56% as you may know in mathematics, if you cant show the way on how you got this number, its not the truth.

Your questions for roloff the last question is not so important. I think its more important here why ho is claiming his treatment is so tedious, when in all those videos

1) the hairs are extractd fast like FUE
2) The technicians dont have magnifying tools like glasses on

But i can tell you one thing here, roloff nor any one else will answer those questions, they will wait until nobody cares for this questions any more.
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 22:32   #72
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I have told you several times. If diameter of a circle is reduced to 75%, then the area of the circle is reduced to 56%. This comes from the formula:
Area of a Circle= PI*(R^2)
If Diameter is 1, then the area is 0.78
If diameter is 0.75, then the area is 0.44, which is 56% of 0.78.
As you see, a 25% reduction in diameter results in a 44% reduction in area.
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Oud 8 juni 2011, 22:51   #73
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As you can see, Stevie, there is no point on reading loads of patents, and scientific articles if you don't have the knowledge to be able to critically evaluate them.

So, when dr. Gho doesn't post hard proof of his "HM", (for example big transformations that anyone can understand), and instead he shows "scientific stuff" to patients, who don´t have the capacity to evaluate this stuff, this is a strong hint that he is not telling the truth. He uses this "scientific stuff" as a shield to hide himself.

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Oud 9 juni 2011, 00:16   #74
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jop then i have no knowledge thats ok if you think so :-)
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Oud 9 juni 2011, 13:00   #75
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Okay, I have just read the beginninig of this thread and I see that it was Iron_Man (aka HairRobinHood) the one who first posted the link to the italian study.

It is funny that Iron_Man has not replied to my analysis.
It seems that he is not interested on the conclusion:
The conclusion: The italian study wasn't able to achieve HM via horizontal bisection. Hair mass was reduced by 21.6%.

History repeats itself. James Bond also posted at Hairsite another bisection study that suppossedly proved that HM is possible. But when I analyzed it, it was clear that the study proved just the opposite. Of course JB didn't want to admit the reality and kept repeating the same things.
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