Gho-discussion (English)

[bass885]

Zag net Jan de Hoop ( ook behandeld bij Gho), nog niet zo lang geleden en bij hem lijkt het haar ook meteen te zijn gaan groeien. Vind het toch wel bijzonder hoe snel het herstelproces lijkt te gaan bij GHO. Ik denk toch dat er bij de ontwikkeling van zijn techniek, die oorspronkelijk is onwikkeld voor de behandeling van brandwonden, een stuk meer aandacht is geweest voor snel herstel en minimale beschadiging.
De controverse rondom haarvermeerdering daargelaten is dit toch wel een belangrijk voordeel. Een week of 2 na een HT weer hersteld zijn is toch wat anders dan maanden met een rode hoofdhuid rondlopen. Ik denk dat het meteen 'doorgroeien' van de haren ook te maken heeft met het feit dat bij deze methode het ontvangstgebied minder beschadigd wordt.

[Lucky]

Het zal bij die mensen ook rood zijn, maar ja er zit haar op, dan zie je dus niks. Op die manier is het wel een voordeel. Heeft weinig met het genezingsproces te maken. De roodheid die er heerst kan je ook niet vergelijken met roodheid van verbranding door de zon. Het is iets waar jezelf heel erg aan kan storen (ik persoonlijk eigenlijk nooit) maar waar de buitenwacht maar weinig oog voor heeft.

En was het voor Jan ook al niet 3 maanden geleden ?

[Spanish Dude]

This is a question for anyone who has undergone a FUE procedure, or simply has witnessed a real FUE procedure (normal FUE, or Gho's FUE). I have made this same question to some Gho patients (still no answer) but this time I want to ask this question concerning other FUE doctors (not necessarily Gho).

On a FUE procedure, grafts are extracted from the donor area, and these grafts are of several kinds: 1-follicle graft, 2-follicle graft, 3-follicle graft, etc.

I assume the doctor or technician separates these grafts after extraction, and keep them in a separated place (reservoir with preservative medium), according to the number of grafts, until the moment of implantation. For example, in different sections of a petri dish.

I assume the patient is informed about the number of grafts of each type.

And then, on implantation time, the doctor will distribute the different grafts according to the needs of each area, for example, "singles" in the hairline, etc.

Is this correct, or I am wrong?

Is it strange that, when I look at the posts of FUE patients, most patients just mention the total number of grafts, but they don't specify the numbers of each type of graft. Why is that? I think its an interesting piece of information.

[AnthonieH]

Your assumption that clients are informed about the numbers of grafts of each type is wrong.

And why ask this about FUE? In FUE it is not a number that can easily be manipulated. Grafts out, grafts in. For a FUT this would be a much more relevant question. Strip out, grafts cut, grafts in ... in cutting there is a chance of manipulating the numbers (one 3F-graft can also be cut as 2 grafts (2F+1F) or even 3 ...)

[jord-y]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AnthonieH

Aan dat laatste heb ik wat gedaan. Ik heb (bijna) alle engelstalige discussies van de laatste tijd samengevoegd. Over scissorboy, over de broer van Gho, over Wesley Sneijder, over Elaine Fuchs, over die foto's op de Hasci-site en wat vraagjes gericht aan Roloff.

And as for our visitors, please restrain yourself. When regular visitors to this forum complain too much, I will take action and I won't be spending too much time figuring out who is guilty-er (if such a word exists) than whom.

@ Anthonie is wel zo handig idd anders wordt het zo'n zooitje hier met zoveel topics thx!

[bverotti]

Spanish Dude, good question, I believe that you are refering to what is called the 'graft count".

Most top institutes compute this information in order to integrate the exact numbers of grafts into the plan. This requires 1 extra assistant who does all the sorting and counting. At our clinic graft count is always kept track of for each patient.

On request we give this information to our patients, we are quite open about this.

The information can also be used to verify the result. For example if someone has a high hair/graft it will give a better result then someone who has a natural low hair per graft.

[Stevie.Dee]

And now we are sidetracked again. SpanishDude how about if you explain everyone here WHY HST cannot work according to you, you keep jiggling about everything except the TECHNIQUE itself, so it seems that you try everything to make Gho look bad but you try it with everything else but not the crucial part

[jord-y]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Stevie.Dee

And now we are sidetracked again. SpanishDude how about if you explain everyone here WHY HST cannot work according to you, you keep jiggling about everything except the TECHNIQUE itself, so it seems that you try everything to make Gho look bad but you try it with everything else but not the crucial part

Stevie again you provocate people we know you like Gho know it's clear after your spamming gho topic's.
Come with information which is important if it goes about hairtransplantation.
Every time you are calling his name you get a few euro's i guess? but stop whining here like a 8year old boy please

[Stevie.Dee]

Nope but first it was

1) False advertising

2) Now its side tracking Graft count

And for the record, if SpanishDude has something to say, then he would show us WHY HST wont work, but all he comes up with is the same old stuff elsewhere of HST, and this is getting boring.

Nevertheless did he tell personal lies about me at hair site etc, so especially this guy should be very very careful with writing stuff down.

Until now SpanishDude failed to explain to me why science from indepentend researchers which backs up Gho etc should be lieing? So to me his effort smells like sour grapes clinic with a puppet account

[Spanish Dude]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AnthonieH

Your assumption that clients are informed about the numbers of grafts of each type is wrong.

Well, if I was a patient, I would value to know this kind of info. Also, if the techs are around me, manipulating and sorting the grafts, and placing them in separate containers, I think I would know this information one way or another.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AnthonieH

And why ask this about FUE? In FUE it is not a number that can easily be manipulated. Grafts out, grafts in. For a FUT this would be a much more relevant question. Strip out, grafts cut, grafts in ... in cutting there is a chance of manipulating the numbers (one 3F-graft can also be cut as 2 grafts (2F+1F) or even 3 ...)

I am not saying that this number can be manipulated. I am suggesting that sorting of the grafts is necessary for a correct planting. For example, it would be good to have the "single-follicle" grafts in a separate container, because when the techs plant the hairline, they need only singles.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bverotti

Spanish Dude, good question, I believe that you are refering to what is called the 'graft count".

Most top institutes compute this information in order to integrate the exact numbers of grafts into the plan. This requires 1 extra assistant who does all the sorting and counting. At our clinic graft count is always kept track of for each patient.

On request we give this information to our patients, we are quite open about this.

The information can also be used to verify the result. For example if someone has a high hair/graft it will give a better result then someone who has a natural low hair per graft.

Yes, this is what I am talking about. For example:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1420

1901 graft FUE by Dr. Ron Shapiro
FUE day 1:
1 Hair Fu’s- 260
2 Hair Fu’s- 373 / 746
3 Hair Fu’s- 198 / 594
4 Hair Fu’s- 9 / 36
Total Grafts- 840
Total Hairs- 1636

Day 2:
1 Hair Fu’s- 311
2 Hair Fu’s- 283 / 566
3 Hair Fu’s- 128 / 384
4 Hair Fu’s- 16 / 64
Total Grafts- 738
Total Hairs- 1325

Day 3:
1 Hair Fu’s- 140
2 Hair Fu’s- 169 / 338
3 Hair Fu’s- 14 / 42
4 Hair Fu’s-
Total Grafts- 323
Total Hairs- 520

FUE procedure:
Total Grafts- 1901
Total Hairs- 3481

[Spanish Dude]

I have posted this on Hairsite:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...ategory-2.html

HST / Hair Multiplication vs Basic FUE (Hair Transplant)

posted by Spanish Dude, 14.08.2011, 17:57
Exactly, Dr. Umar, this could explain why dr. Gho keeps the donor area with little gapping after extractions, and thus he is able to claim "donor regeneration".
He could be extracting only part of the follicular unit, and leaving some follicles behind to allow for "regeneration".
And this would explain why the donor "regeneration" occurs in just 1 week. Basically, because the follicles were not removed at all.

This would mean that dr. Gho, would extract basically only 1-hair grafts, and 2-hair grafts. And not 3 or 4-hair grafts.
In fact, on Gho's videos, the petri dishes appear with only 2 sections filled with grafts. One section is possibly for 1-hair grafts, and the other section is for 2-hair grafts.

This is the petri dish, containing the grafts, during implantation on the recipient side. Just 2 sections.



And here is another picture taken by patient qw123 of the petri dish:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...-id-88964.html

[AnthonieH]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Stevie.Dee

Nope but first it was

1) False advertising

2) Now its side tracking Graft count

And for the record, if SpanishDude has something to say, then he would show us WHY HST wont work, but all he comes up with is the same old stuff elsewhere of HST, and this is getting boring.

Nevertheless did he tell personal lies about me at hair site etc, so especially this guy should be very very careful with writing stuff down.

Until now SpanishDude failed to explain to me why science from indepentend researchers which backs up Gho etc should be lieing? So to me his effort smells like sour grapes clinic with a puppet account

Well, the intro on the Hasci-site is somewhat misleading. There's no denying that!

And the way Spanish Dude explains, graft count could give more insight.

And what's with having to show something does not work? The point is proving something works!

Did these independend researchers follow the same protocols as Gho?

Or did they prove that a hairfollicle can be split in two (outside the body) with both halves producing viable hairs when placed back in the skin?

[HairRobinHood]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AnthonieH

Well, the intro on the Hasci-site is somewhat misleading. There's no denying that!

Not at all. Especially in this case and as long as THE PATIENTS NAME is mentioned (and his name is CLEARLY mentioned/displayed) - so where is the problem?

Normally any "foreign user" on the Internet thinks immediatly "Who the hell is Gerard Joling and what exactly has he done??"

Any user (even the psychiatric ones) can't do anything without more infos.

What a pathetic discussion by pathetic users ...

[AnthonieH]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door HairRobinHood

Not at all. Especially in this case and as long as THE PATIENTS NAME is mentioned (and his name is CLEARLY mentioned/displayed) - so where is the problem?

The problem (for me) is in the order of displayed pictures ... bold Gerard, hairy Gerard, bold Gerard, hairy Gerard ... what would be the first thought when visiting the site of an HT-clinic? From bold to hairy! But the bold picture is the after picture!

The sequence starts with the after picture and ends with the before picture ... that's not logical and at least a bit misleading.

Keep in mind that the bulk of men looking for a solution for their boldness is not very well informed (understatement). They are in a mild panic and they tend to make (hasty) decissions based on emotion, not ratio. This sequence of pictures aims at emotion, not ratio ...

But yes, there is no point discussing this if you fail to see that. Pathetic is the right word

[HairRobinHood]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door AnthonieH

The problem (for me) is in the order of displayed pictures ... bold Gerard, hairy Gerard, bold Gerard, hairy Gerard ... what would be the first thought when visiting the site of an HT-clinic? From bold to hairy!

Aren't you the guy who even can see the new implanted grafts on the "bold" photo??

And no - I don't know what an idividual is thinking after watching shitty "before" and "after" HT photos since many years (maybe the latter can make some guys brain dead).