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10 juli 2011, 14:39 | #166 |
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I posted my analysis abour mr. Scissorboy in Hairsite.
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html look at the video captures. Gho harvested 1200 grafts in a huge donor area. I estimated he harvested less than 10 grafts/cm2, and thus, donor regeneration will be almost impossible to asess. Also, mr. Scissorboy if far form being an expert. He says "Menoxidil" in his blog, and "Dr. Coen". He is just a hairdresser. Laatst gewijzigd door Spanish Dude; 10 juli 2011 om 14:45 |
10 juli 2011, 14:44 | #167 |
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Regarding the Hairsite free trial (50 grafts), it is possible to harvest all the 50 grafts in a 1cm x 1cm area.
In fact, dr. Gho harvested 57.7 grafts per cm2 on his 5-patient trial for the JDT magazine (Journal of Dermatological Treatment), and donor regrowth was claimed as close to 100%. Check this thread for discussion about the 57.7 grafts/cm2 harvest: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html (note that Iron_Man got very confused with the numbers, hehe). If anyone is interested in participating in this free trial, please go to Hairsite, or tell us here. Gho charges 570€ for this test, but the trialist will have it for free, as long as he agrees to document it. The protocol is still being discussed. Note that the main interest of this test is scientific, to find the truth about Gho. If you are not interested on the truth about Gho, and just want to add density to your head, this is not the trial for you, I guess. Laatst gewijzigd door Spanish Dude; 10 juli 2011 om 14:49 |
10 juli 2011, 16:38 | #168 |
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Telogenphaairs are a minority in the scalp. So i say instead of saying " Yadda Yadda its all Telogen hair and bla bla" clinics should investigate it. Especially in a dutch forum, where the sources are available. Even with performing this trial on an english board, everyone would accept someone trustworthy from here to do it.
But i think with all this bickering from the past and even my scepticism towards Gho i say "Lets go for it or we will never know for sure". This is btw the common thing right now, people are becoming more and more like sceptics who wanna handle things instead of just crying and saying " It wont work" or " Dont forget there are Telogen hairs as well" We are at the brink of something good, so instead of crying and repeating the same old shit over and over, it would be much easier to test it. And btw this goes out to the clinics here, WHAT will you guys lose if you say "Yes the Gho thing works"? Just get a licence and then do it yourself, end of story. Recently even Dr Cooley admitted that in situ multiplication will undoubtly be the future for hair restoration. I repeat iam a huge Gho sceptic, BUT i wont support the same old bitching and crying anymore, its redundant, instead of crying just test it. My achievements so far were : 1) I mailed Spencer Kobren to interview Gho and even gave some Question to ask in my emails Result : We got the interview 2) I was very persistant with being proactive at hair site over and over again Result : the hair site admin started a thread to get someone for a Gho trial Its so funny that i as a single person with Goals achieved this in a short amount of time, while other people still cry around. This has to end, there is only one option anymore and i make it as clear as possible "Be proactive and get your hair back almost complete or do nothing, cry around and dismiss everything as Bullshit and STAY BALD FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE" There is no more inbetween. Its just as i said above, DO and DEMAND something or stay bald. FUT nope wont be the future, FUE will be the solution for getting to other technologies. Something like in situ regeneration will be the next logical and possible step. Just ask yourself the question " Why is a huge american hair loss forum right now paying attention to ONE single persistant User?" I wont give you the answer because deep inside everyone here knows the answer...........The Future is now |
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Je hebt gelijk hoor Anthonie, maar ik wijs er enkel op dat de test dus nooit 100% kan slagen vanwege de telogen haren.
Bovendien is er nog een punt van discussie over de extractie naalden. zoals je kan berekenen is het niet mogelijk om met een 0.5 mm naald 3 of 4 haar grafts te verwijderen. Dit is dus iets dat duidelijk moet afgesproken worden wat hiermee te doen. Het is bijvoorbeeld niet wensenlijk om bijvoorbeeld 2 van de 4 haarwortels te extraheren want dan is de hele test uiteindelijk vrij wazig. Het is dus werkelijk niet zo simpel als het lijkt vrees ik. Citaat:
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11 juli 2011, 11:17 | #170 |
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11 juli 2011, 21:01 | #171 | |
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En met telogene haren weet ik het niet. Haren zitten heel vaak in groepjes van 3. Alle kans dat er bij groepjes van 2 dus 1 telogene haar zit. Je ziet hem niet, maar je neemt hem wel mee uit. Het gaat me ook om de trent. Neem 15% van de haren uit en het jaar erop kom je binnen een paar procent van het oorspronkelijke aantal, dan geloof ik in de methode. Kom je binnen een paar procent van 85% van het oorspronkelijke, dan geloof ik er duidelijk niet in. Zit het er tussenin, dan blijft het twijfel en zal een tweede testpersoon misschien een duidelijker beeld geven.
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11 juli 2011, 21:26 | #172 |
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Hoezo zou je bij 85% hergroei niet in de methode geloven?
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11 juli 2011, 21:45 | #173 | |
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100-15=85. Als ik na een jaar 95% vind, dan wil ik wel aannemen dat een aanmerkelijk deel van de 15% die verwijderd is, is teruggegroeid.
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12 juli 2011, 13:10 | #174 |
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ooh ok dan snap ik em
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http://www.rtl.nl/xl/#/u/449885e4-fd...-685a0f50d988/ Gerard J. @ Hasci. Around 2.30, you see Gho and some extractions. Does not seem different from extractions of a normal FUE. |
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Looking at this RTL Boulevard 'item'... one wonders if we are indeed watching a commercial. Well, RTL is a commercial broadcaster after all...
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28 juli 2011, 22:56 | #177 |
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Is dr. Gho website misrepresenting Gerard Joling's pics?
Hello everyone. Yep, its time for more Gho polemics.
I have found what appears to be fakery in dr. Gho's website. Please correct me if my deductions are wrong. Okay, first go to dr. Gho's website: www.hasci.com In the front page, you can see Gerard Joling's head, being transformed from "bald" to "hairy" by a big magnifying glass, right? And a message that says "We made this possible for Gerard Joling". I have attached a screen capture of this. Okay, if you pay attention, the "before" photo is not really bald, but it is just shaven. In fact, it seems that the shaven photo has as much hair as the hairy photo. So it looks like a total manipulation to me. Okay, keep reading because the fun is not over yet. Now please go to Gerard Joling's own website (link provided by Iron_Man, hehe, he didn't expect what I was going to find out): http://www.gerardjoling.nl/content.p...r!&start_at=15 As you can see, Gerard Joling posts a message on 19-July-2011, informing his fans about his new hair transplant that he had had a week before in Gho's clinic. This was the second hair transplant that Joling had from Gho. Joling posts photos of this transplant. Scroll down until the last photos. As you can see, it is a BEFORE-AFTER photo pair. I have also included a screen capture of this. One photo is "hairy" and the other photo is "shaven". Note that these photos are the same photos appearing in the frontpage of Gho's website. Also notice, very important, that the hairy photo must be the BEFORE photo, because hair cannot grow that long in just 1 week!! And the shaven photo must be the AFTER photo, that is, after the procedure. In fact, this is the order mentioned by the text under the photos in Joling's site. Note this second procedure was planned to plant grafts in the crown, and indeed in this SHAVEN photo you can hint the grafts that have been planted behind the hairline. So we now clearly see, that the magnifying glass in Gho's website is switching the photos, presenting a false BEFORE-->AFTER transformation. Conclusion: The magnifying glass in Gho's website is using those pictures in a total misleading fashion, switching them, fooling people into a total falsehood. Of course, I include captures of everything, because these images will probably dissapear soon. Am I right?, am I wrong?, comments are welcome. oh, I forgot: I have opened a thread also at Hairsite, but it is not as compact as here: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/bo...casc-DESC.html Laatst gewijzigd door Spanish Dude; 29 juli 2011 om 11:37 |
28 juli 2011, 23:04 | #178 |
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28 juli 2011, 23:36 | #179 |
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Okay, I have modified the 2 photos in the initial message. Now they are simpler to understand (I think).
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28 juli 2011, 23:57 | #180 |
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Dude from Spain, if you would know Gerard than you would know he's fake too.
It would have been a scam if Gerard was actually telling the truth ! This is how it should be without getting suspicious. |